{"id":87290,"date":"2023-02-06T09:11:00","date_gmt":"2023-02-06T09:11:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cloudnewshub.com\/?p=87290"},"modified":"2023-02-06T09:11:00","modified_gmt":"2023-02-06T09:11:00","slug":"executive-interview-eric-muntz-mailchimp","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cloudnewshub.com\/?p=87290","title":{"rendered":"Executive interview, Eric Muntz, Mailchimp"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>For the past 13 years, Eric Muntz has worked at Mailchimp, latterly as its chief technology officer (CTO). The company was acquired by Intuit in 2021 for $12bn. Muntz has recently changed roles and is now a technology advocate at Intuit Mailchimp.<\/p>\n<p>Reflecting on his experience of managing engineering teams, Muntz surmises: \u201cWe\u2019re trying to get a lot of work done and, just like in every software development shop, it feels like there are not quite enough people, so prioritisation is extremely important.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He believes teams can sometimes get stuck in a rut, where they are unable to work effectively. Muntz says this tends to happen \u201cwhen the team starts to \u2018group think\u2019 a little too much or becomes fearful, and maybe <a href=\"https:\/\/www.techtarget.com\/searchsoftwarequality\/tip\/Make-quality-a-priority-in-your-software-engineering-culture\">paralysed, to make decisions<\/a>\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>He observes that a team\u2019s ability to make decisions can suffer as a result. \u201cTheir decisions are wishy-washy or not final. That\u2019s a sign something is not right. It could be that the team members don\u2019t trust how leadership is going to perceive whether they succeed or fail.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A recent example of how senior management buy-in can help team decision-making occurred when a Mailchimp customer faced a backlog in trying to email eight million customers. Describing the problem, Muntz says: \u201cIt was taking two or three times as long as their normal campaigns. It would have taken about 15 hours to get this full campaign out, which is not right. That\u2019s not production-ready.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Muntz says the engineering team made a few optimisation changes to the database and were pretty confident the mailout speed would improve. But it was still sending out the mailshot very slowly, so Muntz then divided the problem into two teams \u2013 one tasked with actively tracing exactly what was happening, the other given the task of examining a potential idea to parallelise the work so that it could go faster.<\/p>\n<p>He says the tracing team identified some back-end machine learning code that was slowing down the workload, while the parallelisation team figured out a way to use MapReduce across the eight million records.<\/p>\n<p>Muntz admits it may have been a little risky using MapReduce to boost performance. \u201cWe didn\u2019t have extreme confidence that it would be safe,\u201d he adds. \u201cThat\u2019s when I stepped in. I was helping with the on-call situation and said I was willing to take business responsibility given that the situation couldn\u2019t get any worse. If it went wrong, we could just revert back.\u201d<\/p>\n<section class=\"section main-article-chapter\" data-menu-title=\"Hiring and apprenticeships\">\n<h3 class=\"section-title\"><i class=\"icon\" data-icon=\"1\"><\/i>Hiring and apprenticeships<\/h3>\n<p>In terms of building out a team, Muntz says IT leaders need to aim at developing a well-rounded team and recruit people who fill specific gaps in expertise. \u201cOne of the things I really believe in, and what I\u2019m most proud of over the 13 years I\u2019ve been here, is our apprenticeship programme, which was built to bring people from other departments into engineering,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p>The programme takes in people from elsewhere in the business and gives them a three-month position inside the engineering team. This helps people decide if they want to work in engineering or prefer their existing job. Muntz says more than 70 people in engineering began their work life at Mailchimp in a different department.<\/p>\n<p>Rather than having a prescribed way of working, Muntz believes in offering a flexible work environment that enables people to work at their best. \u201cIt\u2019s not the same for everyone,\u201d he says. \u201cSomeone might want to get on the whiteboard and write code, someone else may prefer to do pair programming, and some people may just want to have a conversation about architecture and infrastructure and how it works.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Muntz believes it is important to understand these things during the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theserverside.com\/blog\/Coffee-Talk-Java-News-Stories-and-Opinions\/Three-interview-success-tips-for-tech-job-candidates\">interview process<\/a>. \u201cIf there\u2019s one position and six candidates, we want to see all six of those people at their very best,\u201d he adds.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<section class=\"section main-article-chapter\" data-menu-title=\"Building teams that work\">\n<h3 class=\"section-title\"><i class=\"icon\" data-icon=\"1\"><\/i>Building teams that work<\/h3>\n<p>Moving on to team dynamics, Muntz found that during the pandemic, conferencing software like Zoom enabled people who are not comfortable being the loudest voice in the room to voice their views. One of his top tips is to use the mute function.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOne piece of etiquette is that everyone is muted all the time, so when you come off mute, you signal you want to speak,\u201d says Muntz. He also found the hand-raising feature useful in the same way. \u201cSomeone will say, \u2018Before we move on, I can see so and so has raised their hand\u2019, and that has worked really well.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Another technique, which Mailchimp\u2019s newly appointed CEO, Rania Succar, uses, is to encourage those who have been quieter during the meetings to share their views.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<section class=\"section main-article-chapter\" data-menu-title=\"Minority team members\">\n<h3 class=\"section-title\"><i class=\"icon\" data-icon=\"1\"><\/i>Minority team members<\/h3>\n<p>Muntz has <a href=\"https:\/\/blavity.com\/what-are-you-how-growing-up-biracial-as-a-white-presenting-man-challenges-where-i-belong-in-todays-racial-climate?category1=opinion\">written essays<\/a> on the subject of racial diversity and being of mixed race. In 2020, he took part in \u201cA Conversation About Race in Tech Culture\u201d, an event hosted on Facebook.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cTo speak from personal experience, my stepfather is a software entrepreneur and he\u2019s black. I very much don\u2019t look black. I am half black, but I walk around the world being treated white,\u201d he says. \u201cWhen I started working in software, my first job was for him. When people would discover I was his son, they kind of did a double-take because we have very different skin colours. But then everything I tried to do was to make sure they forgot we were related. I just wanted to be treated like a colleague.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"imagecaption alignLeft\"> <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/cloudnewshub.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/executive-interview-eric-muntz-mailchimp.jpg\" alt> <\/div>\n<p><span><strong><span>\u201cInsecurities are deeply held beliefs that drive people\u2019s actions. I wish we could figure out just how to talk more openly and make these things less mysterious\u201d<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><em><span>Eric Muntz, Intuit Mailchimp<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>This, he says, gave him insight into what it must feel like to be in a minority at work, such as a woman in technology who is surrounded mostly by men, or being the first black member of an all-white team, or the first person with a Hispanic background, or simply being foreign in an \u201call-American\u201d team.<\/p>\n<p>Muntz would like people to have an open discussion about race, ethnic diversity, negative and positive biases, and how these things play out in a team at work, trying to fulfil a business objective. \u201cInsecurities are deeply held beliefs that drive people\u2019s actions,\u201d he says. \u201cThey might be offputting or confusing. I wish we could figure out just how to talk more openly and make these things less mysterious.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Muntz believes these deeply held beliefs are often ingrained when people are very young. \u201cIt\u2019s certainly not a colleague\u2019s job to fix that deeply held belief, but I believe that in a business culture we should really try to treat each other like humans,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p>While there are people who say they really do not see colour, for Muntz, this does not necessarily do much to address the insecurities people from minorities can often feel.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>For instance, people may worry that it seems to take them too long to put together a \u201cpull request\u201d to tell others of the code changes being made, or when they commit code they are stressed because it may be rejected. While code that does not meet the right level of quality or follows the correct standards should be rejected, as a manager, Muntz says, \u201cyou might know how I\u2019m feeling and emphasise that I\u2019m not rejecting you\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>There is no silver bullet to solve such challenges. But, as Muntz notes, treating people like human beings is the place to start. Understanding their motivation \u2013 as Muntz tries to do when he looks to offer people their preferred working environment \u2013 along with being cognisant of their insecurities, is the harder step managers need to take to build a coherent team.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For the past 13 years, Eric Muntz has worked at Mailchimp, latterly as its chief technology officer (CTO). The company was acquired by Intuit in 2021 for $12bn. Muntz has recently changed roles and is now a technology advocate at Intuit Mailchimp. 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